Hibernate uses apache commons logging and slf4j - why are 2 logging abstraction layers needed?

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I am not so experienced in the java logging libraries world. I started using hibernate and then saw I needed to include apache commons logging library and sl4j library. The actual logging library is log4j - so I included that library too.

After reading about apache commons logging and sl4j libs, I understand that they both represent an abstraction layer for logging with another library (log4j in my case).

Why are 2 abstraction levels needed ?

score 2 · Accepted Answer · edited May 23 '17 at 12:05

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In a perfect world, these multiple logging API are not needed, but unfortunately, there is no clear standard, so different libraries (and Hibernate is a big project with many dependencies and sub-projects) use different logging API, and as a user, you have to provide all of them.

The quasi-standard was Log4J, until Sun decided it needed to include its own version (java.util.logging) into the JDK. That made it a two-horse race, and Commons Logging was designed to provide a unified interface to both (and any others). Unfortunately, Commons Logging had some short-comings, too, so the current favourite is SLF4J. SLF4J tries to help with cleaning up the mess by providing bridges to all other API, too.

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answered Jun 02 '13 at 08:54

Thilo

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so technically, hibernate could have been written using only slf4j without apache commons logging while still managing to leverage logging abstraction ? – thedrs Jun 02 '13 at 09:11
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Yes. And if Sun had endorsed LOG4J (or been first to the game), logging abstraction may not even have become necessary at all. People want to be able to swap implementations (and all logging API make that possible), but it would have been nice if everyone had agreed to a single API. – Thilo Jun 02 '13 at 09:15

score 1 · Answer 2 · answered Jun 02 '13 at 08:56

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Hibernate uses slf4j over apache commons logging.

Legacy code.

Inside of hibernate are full of commons logging usage. And simplest way to move from commons logging to desired logging library was adding slf4j layer. Now you can use one from popular logging library with Hibernate, which inside still use commons logging's interfaces. Also there were another reasone to move to slf4j.

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So why not use slf4j directly from hibernate without apache commons logging ? – thedrs Jun 02 '13 at 09:04

Hibernate uses apache commons logging and slf4j - why are 2 logging abstraction layers needed?

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