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I need to capture a 2 groups that are required, the thing is that the 2nd group is all ordered optional elements

so I thought I would do it like this

(a)(b?c?d?)

Problem is sometimes it only captures "a" only (it assumes group 2 is already there because its all optional :S)

anyway here is what I want to capture

ab
ac
ad
abcd

And here is not what I want to capture

a
b
bc
bcd
d
acbd
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